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Post by ladygrey on Feb 16, 2007 13:40:05 GMT -5
is somebody making you change it back? because that is un-frakking-cool. the new board design looks amazing, and there has been more life since the change than in the months beforehand.
who can i complain to? because this is just a big steaming pile.
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Post by Jinxieman on Feb 16, 2007 13:44:48 GMT -5
That's too bad! It was fun to get on the board and see if something else had changed. Now it's almost all back to before...kind of sad. Those who fear change will never progress in life! They will just stagnate and hold other back. I assume you got permission to do this. You didn't hack in and just start changing things...did you? Why would they make it go back?
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Post by Lior Knight on Feb 16, 2007 13:53:02 GMT -5
That's too bad because other then the width it looked great...I could easily live without that clock on number of PMs.
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Post by The Second Evil on Feb 16, 2007 14:01:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd like to echo the sentiments already here. I loved the new colors and the new banners. To me, it was all a major improvement other than the width. I think the person pulling the strings and told CowboyGuy change it back (you know who I'm talking about) should take a long hard look at themself before being so ungrateful as to the effort and the wonderful improvements he was making to this place.
After all - that's his job. To make the forum run more smoothly and in this case - taking the reigns when other staff members disappeared without warning.
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Post by BtVSFigs Admin on Feb 16, 2007 14:02:49 GMT -5
Okay, hold up one second guys and hear us out before you beging to gang up on Chad and I (because as I've learned, that's how this place rolls)
Phil's design was excellent. Other than the wideness thing that others pointed out, we had no problem with it. I respect the time and effort that he put into it. But it was not WHAT was done, but how it was done.
Chad and I, since we became a team, do everything TOGETHER. Every decision we make for this forum that affects everyone here is a combination of mine, Chad's and you guys' input. I was extremely vague in my instructions to Phil, and that's my fault. We contemplated changing the look, but if we did it we needed to put some time aside away from our schedules to discuss it together. The old look took hours and hours to do because not only did we have to use coding, but Chad learned it from scratch also. So you have to understand from our side how it's kind of a slap in the face to all the work we did as well.
The last thing I meant to do was offend Phil in any way. He did nothing wrong, he wanted to inject some new life into the forum. Chad and I are totally up for that, we'd just like to know about it first, if you can understand that. We want to get everyone's input. Change is fine. I would love to have Phil's creative ideas incorporated into the forum like they were. His design was amazing, but it's important that we do it all as a team because every one of us brings something to this forum and we need the overall design and look to be suitable to everyone.
Again, I'm not implying anyone is power-hungry, I'm not trying to offend anyone. I wouldn't have given Phil the extra powers I did if I didn't trust him. I still trust him to be there when Chad and I can't to keep the forum tidey from disrupters or out-of-control arguments. I guess I didn't forsee a new look coming so fast without any warning that all of our work would be sort of erased.
So in the same sense that Phil was offended, we were slightly offended as well. I would hope anyone could understand that, especially Phil.
Phil, I've sent you a personal PM already, but I'll say it here for everyone: I am deeply sorry if Chad or I offended you in any way for your time and effort you put forth. But I would also ask that you understand from our side as well.
- Tim
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Post by CowboyGuy on Feb 16, 2007 14:15:18 GMT -5
That's fine.
But the thing is, I have been talking about a new look for over a year.
It's cool though, I'm not going to sit here and fight about this.
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Post by x-esque on Feb 16, 2007 14:21:26 GMT -5
Well it was good to see it as a test view just the same. Maybe it will be part of a draft for a future change, who knows. I liked it.
Of course, it made me realize what I do like about the forum currently. To paraphrase, "I like 'the Wide'." That's in contrast to my earlier comments.
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Post by ladygrey on Feb 16, 2007 14:30:52 GMT -5
Maybe this could re-open the larger discussion of how to infuse some life into the forums. I think that was one great thing about all of CowboyGuy's hard work - it got people excited about the forums again.
Flobbster, do you have any sense of when you and Chad will be available to get things going again?
edited to add: the upcoming Season 8 would be a good chance to overhaul the forums a bit.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Feb 16, 2007 14:42:10 GMT -5
That's what I thought.
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Post by Jinxieman on Feb 16, 2007 14:54:44 GMT -5
I see what Tim and Chad are saying. And I have to say that the design they have set up now is beautiful. The only thing wrong with it is that is been here for awhile I remember when you first changed things up to what we have now. It was just as fun and exciting as it was this morning to find new things. I don't think we really need a completly new design, just a few changes and updates every now and then. Mainly in the banners, news updates, and most recent figures and upcoming figures in the tabs at the top of each section. I am a little dissapointed that the Faith/Giles selection never made it to the top of the Buffy figure page, and I would love to see the new Judge waves up. I also think it would be cool when there are Angel Variants with a Buffy line that their picture be put up in the Angel figure section (like the Princess and You're Welcome Cordy and Sanctuary Faith) just to liven that up a bit...and vice versa (if we ever get another Angel line). Like right now I would like to see the Giles/Faith figures with Military Xander and the Judge wave up in the Buffy Figure Section...being able to see them all there is kind of like they are already a part of my collection...if that makes sense. Wow! I didn't intend to type so much...I'll stop now.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Feb 16, 2007 14:59:43 GMT -5
I hope that someday someone will be allowed to step up.
That's not gonna be me ever again.
They say it's a team, but how long am I supposed to wait on the field for my coach to show up to practice?! It's been months. I'm leaving the ballpark.
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Post by arron on Feb 16, 2007 15:25:40 GMT -5
I hope that someday someone will be allowed to step up. That's not gonna be me ever again. They say it's a team, but how long am I supposed to wait on the field for my coach to show up to practice?! It's been months. I'm leaving the ballpark. I agree completley. Flobbster and Chad you guys are great and we are thankful to you for giving us this forum and for the work you've done. But let's be honest here - there have been a few issues/problems where either of you have been needed and you have done nothing; you haven't been here for months - or at least I haven't ever seen you online (I visited here a few times a day before I signed up) then as soon as CowboyGuy does something good for the forum, you're BOTH back on here, because I saw Chad on earlier too, changing it all back. So you're not around for months when you're needed for custom awards, new members signing up, Ask Diamond, competitions and basic up-keep of the forum but as soon as somebody takes over ever so slightly - you rush back. Im not trying to be horrible or 'ganging up on you' but I can really sympathise with Cowboy Guy. He did a good thing for this forum and you just taken away all of his time and effort because you weren't involved? Does that really matter? It's hardly a team is it if you destroy everything that was done when you weren't here.. which isn't anyones fault but yours. I'm not trying to cause an argument or p!ss you guys off, because I love the fact that you did the forum.. but I think I needed to stick up for CowboyGuy - not that it will make much of a difference.
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Post by The Second Evil on Feb 16, 2007 15:29:33 GMT -5
I hope that someday someone will be allowed to step up. That's not gonna be me ever again. They say it's a team, but how long am I supposed to wait on the field for my coach to show up to practice?! It's been months. I'm leaving the ballpark. I agree completley. Flobbster and Chad you guys are great and we are thankful to you for giving us this forum and for the work you've done. But let's be honest here - there have been a few issues/problems where either of you have been needed and you have done nothing; you haven't been here for months - or at least I haven't ever seen you online (I visited here a few times a day before I signed up) then as soon as CowboyGuy does something good for the forum, you're BOTH back on here, because I saw Chad on earlier too, changing it all back. So you're not around for months when you're needed for custom awards, new members signing up, Ask Diamond, competitions and basic up-keep of the forum but as soon as somebody takes over ever so slightly - you rush back. Im not trying to be horrible or 'ganging up on you' but I can really sympathise with Cowboy Guy. He did a good thing for this forum and you just taken away all of his time and effort because you weren't involved? Does that really matter? It's hardly a team is it if you destroy everything that was done when you weren't here.. which isn't anyones fault but yours. I'm not trying to cause an argument or p!ss you guys off, because I love the fact that you did the forum.. but I think I needed to stick up for CowboyGuy - not that it will make much of a difference. God, I really like you. LOL. Well said.
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Post by Thorn Of Deucalion on Feb 16, 2007 15:31:13 GMT -5
I missed seeing the new design being a sleep and all…… but what I saw from Lior Knight post it looked cool ,but now I just want to get the Buffy/ Angel comics …
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Post by Mattitude on Feb 16, 2007 15:32:43 GMT -5
I agree completley. Flobbster and Chad you guys are great and we are thankful to you for giving us this forum and for the work you've done. But let's be honest here - there have been a few issues/problems where either of you have been needed and you have done nothing; you haven't been here for months - or at least I haven't ever seen you online (I visited here a few times a day before I signed up) then as soon as CowboyGuy does something good for the forum, you're BOTH back on here, because I saw Chad on earlier too, changing it all back. So you're not around for months when you're needed for custom awards, new members signing up, Ask Diamond, competitions and basic up-keep of the forum but as soon as somebody takes over ever so slightly - you rush back. Im not trying to be horrible or 'ganging up on you' but I can really sympathise with Cowboy Guy. He did a good thing for this forum and you just taken away all of his time and effort because you weren't involved? Does that really matter? It's hardly a team is it if you destroy everything that was done when you weren't here.. which isn't anyones fault but yours. I'm not trying to cause an argument or p!ss you guys off, because I love the fact that you did the forum.. but I think I needed to stick up for CowboyGuy - not that it will make much of a difference. God, I really like you. LOL. Well said. I'll third that.
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Post by arron on Feb 16, 2007 15:44:42 GMT -5
God, I really like you. LOL. Well said. I'll third that. Woo I'm loved I hope Flobbster and Chad read what I've put though!
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Post by ladygrey on Feb 16, 2007 15:46:53 GMT -5
God, I really like you. LOL. Well said. Indeed. Thank you, Arron, for saying what I imagine many of us are feeling.
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Post by Jess on Feb 16, 2007 15:47:35 GMT -5
I fourth that ;D That's exactly my thoughts on this whole matter.
I wasn't here to see the great new changes of the forum, but I'm kinda glad I wasn't because I would have only been let down again by having it all changed back anyways.
I don't think everything is fixed yet, I'm still seeing a red x where the big BTVSfigs banner should be.
-Jess
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Post by Kenobi on Feb 16, 2007 15:48:44 GMT -5
Me too, Jess. Keep the new design or keep the old design. The forum looks really shitty right now and a lot of the images don't show up for me
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Post by Sammie on Feb 16, 2007 15:51:20 GMT -5
I hope that someday someone will be allowed to step up. That's not gonna be me ever again. They say it's a team, but how long am I supposed to wait on the field for my coach to show up to practice?! It's been months. I'm leaving the ballpark. I agree completley. Flobbster and Chad you guys are great and we are thankful to you for giving us this forum and for the work you've done. But let's be honest here - there have been a few issues/problems where either of you have been needed and you have done nothing; you haven't been here for months - or at least I haven't ever seen you online (I visited here a few times a day before I signed up) then as soon as CowboyGuy does something good for the forum, you're BOTH back on here, because I saw Chad on earlier too, changing it all back. So you're not around for months when you're needed for custom awards, new members signing up, Ask Diamond, competitions and basic up-keep of the forum but as soon as somebody takes over ever so slightly - you rush back. Im not trying to be horrible or 'ganging up on you' but I can really sympathise with Cowboy Guy. He did a good thing for this forum and you just taken away all of his time and effort because you weren't involved? Does that really matter? It's hardly a team is it if you destroy everything that was done when you weren't here.. which isn't anyones fault but yours. I'm not trying to cause an argument or p!ss you guys off, because I love the fact that you did the forum.. but I think I needed to stick up for CowboyGuy - not that it will make much of a difference. Totally agreed, i'm getting sick of this place.. this used to be a great forum and now it's bleeding to death, and if somebody tries to do something about it and make it fun for us all Chad and Flobbster are 'suddenly' back. So you do come back to stop the forum from getting a new layout, but you can't take some time out to let us know about the Survivor game or the custom awards?
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