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Post by Justhad on Apr 18, 2006 13:09:44 GMT -5
We're moving on from here. No more drama from the past. I haven't found anyone but SS against the rules, and ya, I singled him out... but he's the only one with a problem.... We'll stop the fighting now, and get past it.
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Post by Afer on Apr 18, 2006 13:10:55 GMT -5
Sorry i had to make an edit and deleted the post just as SS replied so your reply to the post above, is above the post you are answering lol.
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Post by SideStrike on Apr 18, 2006 13:12:13 GMT -5
We're moving on from here. No more drama from the past. I haven't found anyone but SS against the rules, and ya, I singled him out... but he's the only one with a problem.... We'll stop the fighting now, and get past it. Hadley I posted earlier saying I don't have any problems with the new rules anymore. I just needed a reality check. And I apologized. And Ill do it again. I'm sorry to everyone that got mixed up in this.
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Post by Afer on Apr 18, 2006 13:12:22 GMT -5
Thats fine by me. It stops here. I thought this thread was being locked? Like months ago?
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Post by Justhad on Apr 18, 2006 13:23:13 GMT -5
I think they're just keeping it around for people to bring up their qualms,etc....
I have an urge to do that hip hip hurray cheer... but I still feel disrespected by SS... oh well.
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Post by Afer on Apr 18, 2006 13:30:55 GMT -5
I think its quite a good thread to keep around. If this thread wasn't here..Where would have this taken place? n the fan-fiction section disrupting the section. At least negative opinions have there own thread so people who can't be bothered with people moaning and giving other members inappropriate cheek for no reason.
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Post by The Second Evil on Apr 18, 2006 14:38:35 GMT -5
Oh, lordy, lordy... all this fuss over nothing. SS - just calm down, afer is being nothing but polite to you and anything wrong that he's done in the fanfic section, he's apologised for. Afer - I'm really impressed at how maturely you're handling this And I'm with everyone else that people need to move on - the Fanfic section has been sorted out, so people should just forget about the trouble and get back to enjoying what it was created for Also, I think that this has become the offical suggestions box now, so I reckon that everyone else is right on the assumption that we should all just post are ideas here now. Thanks Hadley for doing a top-class job as Moderator!
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Post by Willfan on Apr 18, 2006 16:07:42 GMT -5
Just wanted to add my two cents to the custom recipe discussion.
I have to say that the way you're both going about this is wrong. The custom section exists to offer us a chance to have a community where we can develop our talents and show off our peices. It is NOT about competition or to see who can make the most customs and come up with recipes the quickest. Sometimes it's fun to post your recipes and to do list, this isn't for the sake of "claiming" it, but to get people excited. People should just be concious enough to give credit to someone if they are inspired by something that's posted.
However, this doesn't mean the point of customizing is to use templates of others' customs for your own. It's fine to be inspired, but personally, it's frustrating to see that the same recipe is used over and over, or one customizer keeps directly copying another. I just don't understand why people don't want to come up with their own stuff. I don't even bother posting comments on something I've seen before, especially if credit isn't given.
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Post by Kenobi on Apr 18, 2006 16:17:43 GMT -5
Thankfully someone agrees with me. I'm not trying to complain, but I try to make a figure that I haven't see before unless it truly inspired me. I made a post for the fun of it to see if anyone was excited about what I planned on doing. It was just upsetting to see a figure made the exact way I said I would without getting any credit. And then the figure got tons of compliments, which is really due to the customizer for skill. But some comments were about the recipe. I belive someone said that it was smart to use a OMWF ANya head, but that was my idea.
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Post by Jinxieman on Apr 18, 2006 17:01:32 GMT -5
But you can't assume that you are the one that came up with the recipe! Take for instance the Wish Buffy you just posted, I have an extra delux EOD Buffy at home right now that I've been planning to turn into a Wish Buffy for over a month. When I get around to making her, I am not going to give you any credit for "inspiration" because you didn't give me any. IF I see a custom I like and that is what inspires me to make one, then I will give credit, but you can't assume that just becasue someone posts a cutome that is similar to yours that they copied you or owe you a mention.
I belive Val has already stated that she did not copy you, that she had been planning and working on that custom for a while. And It would be an obvious choice to use the OMWF Anya head, you may have had that Idea and posted it, but it doesn't mean that Val didn't have the same Idea all on her own.
We don't own a copyright on the recipe of the customs we make and I think it's rediculous to think that we should try to list everything that inspired us to make the customs we choose, unless it was souly inspired by one persons custom, and that mention is left to the customizers to give. I've made lots of customs with recipes that, to me, seemed obvious, so I would assume that they seem obvious to others. That Anya seemed like an obvious choice of parts (I wouldn't have used the arms, but that's because I hate those arms) and so, you can see that it was obviouse, because someone else had the same idea and exicuted it before you did. I say give credit when credits due, but don't assume that credit is due to you if they didn't give it.
Here's a little generic thank you that everyone can put at the bottom of their original post when posting a "new" custom. You can fill in all the ambiguous parts or leave it as is.
I'd like to thank Joss Whedon for creating Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel, I would also like to thank the costumer who put together the outfit of which inspired me to make a custom action figure based off of this outfit worn durring this episode. I would also like to thank DST for making these fine Action figures that inspire me to make this custom, and I would like to thank the creator and producers of sculpty which has helped me realize my creative outlet in creating this custom that is based on the charactor that wears this outfit put together by the costumer, worn durring this episode of this tv show that was created by Joss Whedon. and thank you for the inspiration to everyone who has ever made a custom or has thought about making a custom that is based on the same character in the same outfit from the same episode of the same tv show that I am basing my custom off of.
BTW Kenobi I made a Not Fade Away Wesley and you didn't give me any credit for your inspiration...and I'm pretty sure you used some of the same parts as me!
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Post by Kenobi on Apr 18, 2006 17:22:50 GMT -5
I do agree that credit isn't do when it's something obvious. For example, I used EOD Buffy to make Wish Buffy and anyone can see that I simply made a figure that was near a repaint. If someone makes a Wish Buffy, I don't expect any credit. Now if I made NFA Lorne using Vamp Angels jacket, I would without a doubt give you credit. As for Wesley, I hadn't realized you had made one until after I posted him. Besides I used a ROF Wes and I'm pretty sure you didn't, but I could be wrong. But again, it was another somewhat obvious thing. I have an extra ROF Wes, so when else did Wes have on a shirt and Jacket? Oh yeah, Not Fade Away. That would make an excellent custom.
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Post by Jinxieman on Apr 18, 2006 17:44:47 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm saying. The recipe I used for NFA Wesley was obvious, and I would have used a ROF Wesley, but I had a tone of the Season 4. And to me the NFA Lorne with Vamp Angel's Jacket was so obvious that if someone posted one and didn't give me credit I would assume they hadn't seen mine and I would be fine with it.
I really think most customizers try to give credit when credit is due. I myself look at the episode, screencaps, and, if available, I'll look at other customizers creations to see what techniques they used to get ideas for mine, but I would only give credit if I completly and knowinly copied someones recipe and other Ideas, or it they inspired me to make one...and if that credit is not given then we have to assume that they didn't copy it or that their inspiration come from themselves or somewhere else.
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Post by AngelAficionado on Apr 18, 2006 19:33:04 GMT -5
I just have one little niggle about the Custom Board, and it's that it seems lately, that a couple of people are churning out slapdash custom pieces, at breakneck speeds, which tends to overshadow other customisers' more original and polished work.
I don't mention this board often, because..I don't know, I just don't, but I really think the custom board could benefit from some kind of rule stating that if you have over 2 customs to post in one week, you make a combined thread for them, like Alyrenee, Flobbster and MsBig have been known to do. Otherwise, I just feel like I'm plowing through repetitive post after repetitive post to find the good stuff.
But that's just a thought.
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Post by Willfan on Apr 18, 2006 20:14:19 GMT -5
I just have one little niggle about the Custom Board, and it's that it seems lately, that a couple of people are churning out slapdash custom pieces, at breakneck speeds, which tends to overshadow other customisers' more original and polished work. I don't mention this board often, because..I don't know, I just don't, but I really think the custom board could benefit from some kind of rule stating that if you have over 2 customs to post in one week, you make a combined thread for them, like Alyrenee, Flobbster and MsBig have been known to do. Otherwise, I just feel like I'm plowing through repetitive post after repetitive post to find the good stuff. But that's just a thought. That's actually a rule on the forum that Ms. Big created...but I guess people are ignoring it
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Post by AngelAficionado on Apr 18, 2006 20:37:08 GMT -5
Ah, woops, I should have been a little more thorough in my research I guess!
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Post by buffyville on Apr 18, 2006 20:49:00 GMT -5
Actually Ms Big stated not to post more than 1 custom a day. If so to put them in one thread. Heres the quote ....
"Guideline for Starting Threads in the Customs Section
With so many new customisers on the board, the Customs section is getting so busy that new threads are often pushed quickly to page 2. If you make several customs at the same time, please create a single thread to showcase them. Don't post several separate threads on the same day. " If Ms Big sees fit to change her rules, thats HER decision.
When I first joined this forum ALOT of people told me the custom section was kinda on a downer, not much excitement. Alot of older customizers werent posting much anymore. I think this is part of why they lost the challenges in that section, because of low turn out. I also consistently see people posting in the tag board asking about new customs "wishing new ones were posted". I have done my best to bring what little excitement I could to that section. I have since had a few people tell me I helped revive it. Which I took as a compliment. I also fought to get the challenges back.
Jinxie thanks for backing me up.
I ALWAYS give credit when it is due..When others have inspired me..Ms Big for my Wedding Halfrek, Bennywilde for my hush buffy, flobbster for Double meat buffy, etc..
I think its arrogant for anyone to ASSUME they are the only ones that have thought of a certain recipe.
And Kenobi, I started a Tabula Rasa Willow custom which I posted, then you posted the same willow, I didnt gripe that you STOLE my idea, I simply assumed you came up with it on your own... silly me to give YOU the benefit of the doubt..
I went and checked you current listing Wish Buffy , I noticed someone posted for you as you posted in my Anya thread "damn you beat me to it.." FUNNY! Also you mentioned next up WITW fred, JUST SO YOU KNOW SHES ON MY LIST TO DO (has been for awhile), probably will finish her next month, that way you have a heads up and can BEAT me to her so you wont feel bad! AND my recipe will be a hells bells body and fred head.. k? :-) If you use that GIVE ME CREDIT..LOL
-Val
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Post by Willfan on Apr 18, 2006 20:50:53 GMT -5
Ah, woops, I should have been a little more thorough in my research I guess! BTW I didn't mean you were ignoring it Hopefully you didn't misinterpret. But thanks for bringing this topic up. From this whole discussion, it seems a lot of rules pretty much aren't being respected, I hope ppl see this thread and recognize.
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Post by BtVSFigs Admin on Apr 18, 2006 21:33:23 GMT -5
Custom recipes are not copyrighted. If someone uses a recipe you used it just means you picked a good one. Your not always going to get credit. So what if someone uses your idea, were you gonna get paid for it if they had? Just have fun guys and relax.
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Post by buffyville on Apr 18, 2006 21:44:17 GMT -5
Flobbster I agree,
Thanks for the refreshing comment from an old pro.
:-)
-Val
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Post by Kenobi on Apr 18, 2006 22:26:41 GMT -5
I was chatting on the tag board, and as I posted there, I'm sorry. It's not so much she used an idea I had planned, it's that she beat me to it. None of my work comes anywhere near the old pros on this board. I try to come up with new ideas, and Grave Anya hadn't been done from anywhere I could tell. As far as I'm concerned, it's fine to use that idea I had. I was just upset because I didin't finish Anya before Val did. I always hate to see a custom made shortly after a similair one has been done that is worse. Had I finished first, mine would have been good and Val's would have been better. But now if I post Anya, many people won't even care. As stated earlier in the thread, if the same recipe is used very close together, then the second custom is old news and no one cares.
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