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Post by miss edith on Jun 19, 2004 23:41:36 GMT -5
His head just seems too big for his body in general and his top lip is downright scary, with all those gums showing. I don't remember him ever making a face like that.
Sideshow seems to do really well with human heads (the photos of Spike in particular looked amazing, and their recent Buffy and humanface Angel dolls also looked incredible), but both this and the vamp Willow doll look pretty off to me, considering they're asking $40-$50.
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Post by Rogue on Jun 20, 2004 8:37:34 GMT -5
Now that i've seen the pics, I don't care if that is a 'Con exclusive or not. But hopefully they will make a Vamp Angel that's not an exclusive. I don't like the inbred hillbilly vampire teeth either.
Collecting this line will get expensive very fast. I think I'll stick with just the first Buffy they made ("Hush" or so they say), and Spike. I'd like to get Vamp Willow too, but the photos we've been shown don't impress me. It's too bad they can't somehow use the MAC-sculpted Vamp Willow head and enlarge it for the 12" doll.
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Post by gooball on Jun 20, 2004 10:09:41 GMT -5
I honestly think the Sideshow vampire Willow face is many times better than MAC's. MAC's has the better hair, I give you that.
MAC's is too 'cutified', imo.
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Post by bloodyhell on Jun 21, 2004 20:44:32 GMT -5
Looks like Angel Figure need Crest Whittening Strips, because he sure has some rotten teeth! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by BtVSFigs Admin on Jun 22, 2004 11:40:37 GMT -5
I honestly think the Sideshow vampire Willow face is many times better than MAC's. MAC's has the better hair, I give you that. MAC's is too 'cutified', imo. The issue with Vampire Willow that I don't think a lot of people understand and it also applies with Faith is that the hair has to be done away from the shoulders and away from the neck to allow free movement of the head, which is why the hair is thinner and pulled away from the head so much. The actual face sculpt is superb in my opinion though. As for the Angel, I thnk the teeth just need to be redone but the actual face sculpt is nice in my opinion.
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Post by ajmets on Jun 22, 2004 12:14:15 GMT -5
The teeth are terrible. He looks like he belongs in a trailer park or something. The sculpt on the face is nice but the teeth really bother me.
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Post by Immortal on Jun 22, 2004 12:22:50 GMT -5
The issue with Vampire Willow that I don't think a lot of people understand and it also applies with Faith is that the hair has to be done away from the shoulders and away from the neck to allow free movement of the head, which is why the hair is thinner and pulled away from the head so much. The actual face sculpt is superb in my opinion though. That's what was wrong with Willow, I just couldn't put my finger on it before!
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Post by Raven on Jun 22, 2004 16:07:46 GMT -5
I now have one reserved thru a friend of a friend that is going. Very excited!
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Post by gooball on Jun 22, 2004 18:31:31 GMT -5
Yes, the teeth.... crazy. I knew there was something I didn't like, and was thinking it was more than the teeth.... but now I think they're the only problem. The 'rotting' aspect isn't what bugs me, though, but rather the way his mouth his open with the gum exposed. I can't recall that ever happening, and if it did it's far from the norm. I just don't know how they choose to do it like that, and why it wasn't removed when seen.
I don't think it's going to change, though. Instead of us seeing a photo and the pieces shipping much later, I think the pieces are already with Sideshow...
Other than the teeth/way the mouth is opening I really like the piece. Someone's picking one up for me at now. It sucks but it's not perfect but it will still be a nice piece to have.
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Post by gooball on Jun 22, 2004 18:32:29 GMT -5
As for Willow... the hair has actuallly been changed but we just haven't seen it yet. But I agree that it's sculpted 'moving away' from the head in order to help with articulation.
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Post by jmay25 on Jun 22, 2004 23:51:38 GMT -5
I'm glad they didn't make a MUST HAVE figure be a con exclusive but I will probably end up getting it as long as I can get one through their lottery. Not paying ebay prices for this one.
Plus it will look good rounding out the Master and Vamp Willow displayed. At least until they make Vamp Xander.
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Post by Moe on Jun 23, 2004 15:25:19 GMT -5
I think the face and facial expression looks fine and very much the look of vampires in the buffy/angel verse. The problem with the teeth tho' is that vampires pull that face because of the size of the prosthetic mouth piece in there gobs, and this figure's teeth are too small; showing too much of his gums, making Angel look like his top lip was involved in a horrible stapler accident. Just my opinion.
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Post by gooball on Jun 24, 2004 0:09:25 GMT -5
A little birdy has informed me of the moment that was used as reference for the figure. I am being completely honest here when I say that due to the fact that the expression not only occurred, but occurred at quite a significant moment, I appreciate the figure infinitely more. It's definitely not the regular expression they went with on the show, but this was definitely not a regular situation. It's from the season one episode 'Angel' where Darla tries to persuade Angel to feed on Joyce. Angel obviously doesn't do it, but that's not how it looks to Buffy... ![](http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TwD!ArYZZzj8UVOAAwDdrAiSGZMMt0xkw21oz2ONXvUktFz7QfGStIPvmOKTBNak6WV1hhA90vFHHn3Uv5na!pcgholSH0rHewBOcZSXA9LceaIVGT8M*Q/sideshow_vampireangel.jpg) ![](http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2011_image01.jpg) ![](http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2011_image02.jpg) How do you guys feel? I'm personally very happy now... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I'm still prepared for many people not to like it, though.
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Post by ajmets on Jun 24, 2004 8:14:28 GMT -5
Great moment in the Buffyverse but I still would've preferred non-decaying teeth.
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Post by Rogue on Jun 24, 2004 12:05:15 GMT -5
A little birdy has informed me of the moment that was used as reference for the figure. ![](http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TwD!ArYZZzj8UVOAAwDdrAiSGZMMt0xkw21oz2ONXvUktFz7QfGStIPvmOKTBNak6WV1hhA90vFHHn3Uv5na!pcgholSH0rHewBOcZSXA9LceaIVGT8M*Q/sideshow_vampireangel.jpg) ![](http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2011_image02.jpg) How do you guys feel? I'm personally very happy now... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I'm still prepared for many people not to like it, though. Comparing those two pics, there are a few details that don't make this a "dead-on" likeness. Something I've always thought that Sideshow strived for, though I'm not sure what their stance really is. I'm going to really nitpick, but then again a 12" doll's head has more noticeable detail than anything smaller. The hair doesn't look quite right, seems like it should have more lines going through the front rather than a bushy look. The forehead bumpies aren't correct in the area above the eyes... they should have more of an angle and not blend in so smoothly into the eyebrows. That detail is what makes vamp Angel look so menacing. The teeth actually might not be bad, it may be a bad paint application. But as they are in that pic... ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) he needs to see the dentist! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) It's OK. But as detail-oriented as I am, I couldn't have that on my shelf without thinking about all the things that should be changed. Also, I thought the shirt and accessories were based on the Season 3 episode when Faith "took" his soul...? I just hope the Vamp Spike is made better, and not a damned exclusive. I think that would be the only other Sideshow figure I'd end up getting. If I was rich I'd get them all... ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by miss edith on Jun 24, 2004 13:13:17 GMT -5
I know over the years the look of the vampire prosthetics has evolved slightly, and I'm wondering:
Did Angel's look change after Buffy S1? Because I could've sworn his vampy teeth were bigger than that, but I could well be remembering it wrong. Or they could've gotten him a different set, in which case I tend to think Sideshow should've gone with a more classic, usual look, especially considering that this character was around for eight years.
If I'm just remembering wrong, please ignore me.
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Post by Moe on Jun 24, 2004 13:42:09 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure all Angel's vamp make-up was re-designed when he got his own show, but i'm not sure whether his bumpies changed during his time on buffy.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jun 24, 2004 14:08:24 GMT -5
I thought it was Angel from, "Enemies"? Thus the red stuff on his shirt. It's what Faith threw on him, and tried to take his soul away.
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Post by gooball on Jun 24, 2004 23:27:42 GMT -5
It seems to be a mixture. Expression + jacket + shirt from 'Angel', shackels + box art + stain from 'Enemies'.
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Post by willntara4ever on Sept 3, 2004 12:18:35 GMT -5
quite simply I LOVE THIS FIGURE
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