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Post by Angelus on Jul 19, 2006 6:07:59 GMT -5
I noticed that the user slaygirl's account has been deleted. Is this due to her bumping of five older threads in the products section? If so, isn't that a little harsh? I personally don't see what the big deal is with bumping of older threads as long as it's a legitimate addition to the discussion and not just a random "cool!" or whatever. In fact, pretty much ever other board I go to, you're supposed to bump an existing thread if you have something new to add. New threads on the same subject either get merged or deleted. I understand the rule for the custom and fanfic sections. But why the others?
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Post by Girl Power on Jul 19, 2006 6:12:30 GMT -5
I agree that bumping old threads anywhere besides the customs, art, and fan fic sections should be allowed.
Since we're a board that often doesn't have much activity, I think that adding to old threads can make things more interesting. It's not like we have so many new threads that it will make them go to the next page really fast in most sections. It's great to renew discussions when have new information, or if someone has a question, or addition.
I really hope that a new member's account wasn't deleted for this reason. We need all the members we can get and that would be just mean, IMO.
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Post by Afer on Jul 20, 2006 9:35:37 GMT -5
Most old threads are most more interesting than most of the new ones in some sections. I remember an old one i created where everybody shared pictures of the cast when they were little and that was such a fun thread to look through, now thats lost and now the "BADT" is swamped with polls and "favourite-" Most of these new threads are old ones just being re-posted by a new member. This can't be helped though. We can't expect new members to search through old pages to make sure what they are going to post hasn't already been posted.
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Post by Kenobi on Jul 20, 2006 15:05:26 GMT -5
Did slaygirl get banned? I saw when he/she posted those stuff the threads got locked, but the account was still up and running when I went to bed. Did slaygril just delete her own account when she saw what she caused and thought we were rude?
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Post by Rogue on Jul 20, 2006 15:19:02 GMT -5
I'm in agreement that bringing up old topics should not be a reason to lock them. It keeps things "tidy" when there's one topic on, well, one topic. I hate some of the forums I visit where the mods allow a bunch of people to each post a topic about the same thing. Then, each one gets a few replies because no one knows which one they "should" post in. Chaos...
For example, if the Star Wars figure topic goes untouched for a few months (which it was), should it have been locked after it was bumped recently?
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Post by Angelus on Jul 20, 2006 16:52:19 GMT -5
Most of these new threads are old ones just being re-posted by a new member. This can't be helped though. We can't expect new members to search through old pages to make sure what they are going to post hasn't already been posted. Perfect example of this is today. A new member has just started a new topic on Veronica Mars when we already had one that was several pages long. Now like afer said, thsi isn't exactly the member's fault. As far as I know, aside from the Magic Box, Customs and Fanfic sections, there are no rules posted anywhere? Maybe you're sent the rules when you join, but it's been over two years since I signed up and can't remember to save my life. I think it would help the boards tremendously if a clear set of rules were stickied at the top of every forum, and members were encouraged to search for an existing thread on a subject before starting a new one. Older topics or not, if it keeps the boards active, I don't see why it's a problem. Did slaygirl get banned? I saw when he/she posted those stuff the threads got locked, but the account was still up and running when I went to bed. Did slaygril just delete her own account when she saw what she caused and thought we were rude? I don't know. That's what I'm curious to find out. Either way though, it's a shame.
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Post by Afer on Jul 20, 2006 18:16:16 GMT -5
Did slaygirl get banned? I saw when he/she posted those stuff the threads got locked, but the account was still up and running when I went to bed. Did slaygril just delete her own account when she saw what she caused and thought we were rude? I don't know. That's what I'm curious to find out. Either way though, it's a shame. Well a new member bumped an old custom of Tim's and 2 members kindly said that that pissed people off not to do it again and that was fine. That member is still on the forum running around like a crazy mouse Maybe this slaygirl left for her own reasons or most likely deleted her account by mistake That button is very dangerous. Hopefully we haven't seen the last of her .. What thread did she bump anyway?
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Post by CMK1887 on Jul 20, 2006 21:16:29 GMT -5
I deleted her account. We've pretty much always said to leave old topics alone, and she just kept bringing them up.
-CMK
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Post by Angelus on Jul 20, 2006 22:45:29 GMT -5
Well okay, but why? Why should we have to start a new topic if there's already a perfectly good one a few pages back on the exact same subject?
And when exactly does a topic qualify as "old"?
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Post by Jess on Jul 20, 2006 22:59:40 GMT -5
Did you PM her telling her that she couldn't do it? Or did you just write in the threads after they were locked not to write in old threads (because sometimes people don't return to threads they've commented on for a couple of days or sometimes they don't altogether)?
What does qualify as an old thread?
-Jess
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Post by CMK1887 on Jul 20, 2006 23:22:34 GMT -5
I PM'd her about it before deleting her account.
I'm just enforcing a rule that's been going for a long time.
If you have any new ideas to contribute, feel free to post them. Perhaps we can come up with a new policy.
-CMK
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Post by Angelus on Jul 21, 2006 1:29:30 GMT -5
I PM'd her about it before deleting her account. I'm just enforcing a rule that's been going for a long time. If you have any new ideas to contribute, feel free to post them. Perhaps we can come up with a new policy. -CMK Well I hate to sound like a broken record, but why exactly are old threads not to be bumped? The only reason I can think of is to keep the newer threads from being bumped down. But even still, the newer ones can just be bumped back up. And if it were really such an issue, why aren't the old threads locked or deleted after they've become "old"(which we still don't have an answer on how long they have to be up to be considered old)? Again, what I propose is that a list of rules be sticked in every section so that they're made clear to new members and don't have to be learned by breaking one or word of mouth. And yet again, just my personal opinion, but I think old threads should be able to be bumped, with the exception of the Customs, Fanfic, Fanart and Magic Box sections, as long as the addition is relevant(but even if it's not, just delete the post and don't lock the thread). And should a new topic be started on the same subject, either merge the threads or politely PM the starter of the topic and point them to the exisiting thread.
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Post by Browncoat on Jul 21, 2006 5:03:27 GMT -5
Apart from certain sections (such as the custom area) i see no reason why old threads can't be brought up again. I thought we were meant to do that rather than begin a new thread on the same topic?!! ?
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Post by Lior Knight on Jul 21, 2006 5:09:22 GMT -5
The only problem with bringing back old posts is that every new person might wanna comment on many old topics and eventually all of the new threads would end up behind.
I agree with Chad, if there is new stuff to any old discussion then opening a new thread is the way to go.
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Post by NewtonDKC on Jul 21, 2006 9:20:25 GMT -5
I have to say this is surprisingly to me too. And I totally agree with Angelus' suggestions (I too can't remember the rules of the forum - I'm lucky to remember something that happened this morning, much less years ago!). And if it is such a "bad" thing to post new messages to an thread, then why in heaven's name isn't it locked? I have searched for thinsg numerous times - in fact if you start a new topic or ask a question, oftentimes the responses are something like "This has already been covered, do a search for xxxx or look in such and such thread". So I think it needs to be *CLEARLY* defined what constitutes and old thread and if it shouldn't have new posst, then it should be locked to prevent someone from doing so!
I hate to think a new member - all excited to find the board and happily reading up on stuff - got banned for this. Certainly I don't know what all hapened or what CMK said in his message to her - but I do know that lots of people can get easily confused by terminology if they haven't used a lot of boards before (i.e. threads, new posts "bumping", etc).
So again I have to side with Angelus - why exactly is this a bad thing? -And - assuming there's a potential technical gaffe that it could cause or something - then is locking threads that have reached whatever classifies it as "old" possible? If new posts are not allowed, there's no clear definition of what constitutes and old thread then definitely, absolutely it should be locked. Keeping it open is just asking for someone inadvertently to post in one (and I would think it's innocent in nature - all the more reason to help the people who might do this by mistake). If locking it isn't opossible, then I think each one should get renamed to something like - Locked thread - DO NOT POST. I also like Angelus' idea of having clear, concise rules posted in an easy to see location (maybe as the very first thread?).
I'm very grateful for the board and all the hardwork that CMK and others put into maintaining it. But I have to say I think deleting the poor girl's account was maybe a drastic step. Could you possibly restore her account, or at the very least contact her (or let one of us do it) and explain what happened? I'd be mortified if this happened to me - not only would I feel that the board was hostile, but if it was done out of ignorance (and I use that in the true definition of what it means, NOT in a mean or slanderous way!) then all the more reason welcome her back (and thank her for bringing attention to what is certainly a realtively illogical system and one with counterintuitive options (i.e. - being able to post in a thread that should be locked!).
I'll be more than happy to volunteer to contact her and try to expalin what happened provided CMK okays this (if an email address can be given out like that) and assuming he feels there was no malice on her part (which it sounds to me just like newbie exuberance!). And just to make sure nothing I've said has been taken the wrong way - again, I LOVE this board, am very thankful for all the people who work hard to maintain it, and am not trying to sound mean or nasty or anything even remotely like that. But I do feel the need to stick up for this new member - as I can easily see myself doing *exactly* what she was banned for with nothing but excitement about the lines being the reason for transgressing some rules which sound as though they need some upkeep anyway. And I agree with Girl Power - we need new members - we shouldn't be scaring them away! And if it takes some hand holding to get them acquainted with the board and rules, I'll be happy to volunteer (and heck, obviously I need to go over the rules myself!).
Thanks and Happy Smiles and Hugs to all (still have a Willow Deluxe Buzz going)! :-) :-) :-)
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Post by Afer on Jul 21, 2006 9:25:37 GMT -5
Maybe if we make the search tool search deeper through the forum. I only tried to use the search once to find an old thread, and it didn't do much. I think the banning was a little harsh, maybe giving her 3 strikes or something. Thanks and Happy Smiles and Hugs to all (still have a Willow Deluxe Buzz going)! :-) :-) :-) Lol, I think everyone does ;D ;D
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Post by Zion Acheron on Jul 21, 2006 12:24:02 GMT -5
Maybe have a Dead Threads bit. I mean theres like 100 pages on some parts and its hell to look through. After a while maybe either delete them or move them into a Dead Threads bit.
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Post by Justhad on Jul 21, 2006 13:29:11 GMT -5
I think that warnings are the best idea before deleting someone, and Chad did that. Next, what about a rule about over-posting?? There are some new members starting many new threads and posting more in 2 weeks than some have in their entire stay on BTVSfigs.
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Post by AngelAficionado on Jul 21, 2006 14:44:38 GMT -5
I think that warnings are the best idea before deleting someone, and Chad did that. Next, what about a rule about over-posting?? There are some new members starting many new threads and posting more in 2 weeks than some have in their entire stay on BTVSfigs. I've noticed that too, and it is seriously starting to irritate me. I remember I recently went into the Buffy show section, to see around 6 new threads, all started by the same person, in a row. I felt like screaming.
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Post by naturallybuffbuff on Jul 21, 2006 16:41:51 GMT -5
I think that warnings are the best idea before deleting someone, and Chad did that. Next, what about a rule about over-posting?? There are some new members starting many new threads and posting more in 2 weeks than some have in their entire stay on BTVSfigs. I've noticed that too, and it is seriously starting to irritate me. I remember I recently went into the Buffy show section, to see around 6 new threads, all started by the same person, in a row. I felt like screaming. Same here. I couldnt stand to see those threads!!
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